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Gentlemen Discussing Vidya 34 – In Memory of Uncle Phil

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Catsman is late, so the Gentlemen discuss third-party Xbox controllers, Tuscan whole milk, COD Mega Bloks, Broken Age, VR, and boner.com.

Agenda

  • 54:00 – Actual start of the podcast and the news
  • 1:20:53 – Greenlight watch
  • 1:26:10 – Broken Age
  • 1:43:00 – Any other business
  • 1:57:08 – Tuscan Whole Milk review by Edgar
  • 2:03:28 – Vidya Top Picks
  • 2:16:50 – Kickstarter Watch
  • 2:28:04 – Actual end of podcast

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 30 thoughts on “Gentlemen Discussing Vidya 34 – In Memory of Uncle Phil
  1. finally.

  2. Mix_Master_Mao on said:

    Here are the pictures of the controller
    http://imgur.com/a/Jl9iu
    ignore my hands and feet

  3. Mix_Master_Mao on said:

    cats the download is for the GDX episode, not the memory of uncle phil one

  4. Crowley on said:

    Gender Bender still sounds better than the Depression Quest greenlight game where practically everyone white-knighted the creator.

    • Rob Welch on said:

      I’ve never heard of this before, but why is it a problem exactly?

      • Crowley on said:

        It’s another example of the gaming press leaping to defend supposedly deep games to justify their own existence.

        • Rob Welch on said:

          I think depression is an issue that’s important and generally misunderstood by the public, so (though I can’t vouch for the gameplay) I like the idea of an educational game about it. Have I become the establishment that I once hated and rebelled against?

  5. Yalyn V. on said:

    Thank you. I needed something to listen awhile I am drawing.

    Also it’s funny you guys said you gonna do Kickstarter watch in the prev. podcast but you guys didn’t do it at all.

    • Rob Welch on said:

      I also said there was going to be a fanfiction in this podcast, until I realized that was actually next podcast. Had to cut that one out.

      For this podcast, it’s actually because this is GDV34, and the last one was GDV32. GD33 is still in editing THANKS ANIMITCH I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU SHOULDN’T VOLUNTEER IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT SHORT CHANGES US BOTH

  6. fish.heads on said:

    Holy shit fuck whoever is echoing so much I bet it’s Mao fuck you Mao unless it’s not you.

  7. > Starts with an hour of highschoolers shouting and laughing at one another about non-vidya nonsense while waiting for the host
    > Continues on for 2 more unorganized, unedited hours of derailed conversations about nothing in particular, occasionally mentioning vidya

    And you wonder why people prefer Gather Your Podcast.

    I’m sorry but this episode was shit; it’s now just a poor excuse to record yourself having a laugh. It feels like you put no effort making it even semi-organized and semi-related to the subject of the site and podcast, volume isn’t even normalized and everyone’s shouting and laughing loudly over one another without any order or minimal care to be intelligible to the listener.
    The first hour should NOT have been in the podcast (maybe put it in a separate file), the rest should have been heavily edited, as maybe half of it was even related to vidya with the rest being in-group jokes and impulsive knee-jerk reactions. That’s not a discussion and it’s not interesting to someone who doesn’t know who you are. The only one trying to salvage the structure is Happyman but he’s not enough.

    I realize this podcast is more relaxed and less formal and it’s very humorous at times, but this comes off being really childish and uninspired. Despite making the effort to set up schedules and edit the mumble and upload it, you make very little effort to make it more organized and interesting and on-topic, which makes you seem worse than those 14 year old noisy obnoxious youtube let’s players. Having structure, predetermined subjects, relatively orderly discussion, thought-out responses and less verbal clutter is a sign you put effort and care into your product, and if someone doesn’t care about the quality and content of their work then it’s not worth my time. I have better things to listen to if that’s the normal state of things.

    • Rob Welch on said:

      This is actually a legit useful critique of this episode and I will attempt to respond to it in full and\or address it
      in the next podcast.

      1) The audio is actually normalized and run through a tube-model compressor. I got specialized Kyle training in audio mastering, although I’m nowhere near the wizard that he is. I can send you a sample of the raw\mastered audio if you don’t believe me. I try to not be too aggressive when I’m mastering the audio (like I was in earlier podcasts) because it also tends to amplify artefacts in the recording, but if you think it’s too subtle I will do it more for next podcast.
      If you’re curious, here’s the spectrograph (before\after) https://www.dropbox.com/s/aisc3r6cdvivtfy/spect.png

      2) The raw recordings for these podcast are (in some cases) over 4 hours long. It depends who’s editing it, but I’d say around 10%-25% per podcast is cut. Editing is hard because often a boring discussion leads into a discussion which I personally find interesting. Interestingly, the new GYPodcasts are basically completely unedited, but they’re 4-person only and only last 1 hour, and you don’t have to contend with some of the more, uh, bombastic personalities that you get on GDV.

      3) This leads into my next point: I try to avoid over-moderatating discussions. If you’re interested, go back to the first episode(s) of this podcast. It’s a lot more formal and very, very rigidly structured, but it results in a lot of (cut) awkward silences, umming and aahing, and discussions that go nowhere because nobody really has anything to say on the subject. I tend to get more enthusiasm out of people if I let them talk about whatever they want, but this inevitably leads to a breakdown in structure and the podcast just becomes an extended conversation. Is this a bad thing? Definitely for editing, because it makes it harder to cut entire, discrete chunks.

      Alas, even when it is structured, the rate at which the conversation diverges from its original purpose is often so high that my efforts are basically futile.

      Once we landed on GYP and were put next to the first ep of GYPodcast (which was, at the time, super formal and even more awkward than the first episode of GDV) I made a deliberate effort to make this podcast even more offbeat than it already was. The people who co-ordinate the podcasts (yeah, GYP has those, what of it) behind the scenes all made a deliberate effort to find a particular niche for their own podcast.

      Recent episodes have been especially challenging for me. Scheduling is becoming increasingly difficult. My studies demand a LOT of time, and I’m having trouble fitting everything in (creating agendas, recording, editing, mastering, tagging, uploading, writing summaries, posting). In order to edit this podcast I basically had to pull an all-nighter and I ended up falling asleep in a lecture listening to an american guy with a really soothing voice talking about supernova radiation. So when I was editing\recording I was really tired and probably not in the best state of mind. I seemed to remember one part of the recording got lost\corrupted and I just played the sound of a goose over where it breaks.

      Interestingly enough, me and Happyman were discussing changing the format of the podcast to make it more interesting, and this episode is the first to implement several of the format changes that we talked about. Most notably, the ‘what have you been playing segment’ which normally comes at the end being replaced with a more general ‘any other business segment’. Basically the idea was ‘what have you been playing is boring, let’s just let people talk about things they find interesting’ but it seems like, (asides from the opening) that’s your main issue with this podcast.

      For what it’s worth, this has never been a sane, levelheaded video game podcast and probably never will be. It’s entertainment. I think the content here is really no different from any other GDV episode, but the structure is basically nonexistent. I’ll try and do a different\better structure next time but there’s an element of chance in all of these things (who you get, what news there is, when you can record, who can edit) and regardless of the material, sometimes it comes out good, sometimes it doesn’t. I think leaving the pre-roll in was a mistake, I guess I was just entertained by it more because I wasn’t there when it was recorded. It’s still the regular podcast kind of stuff, it’s just unsettling and wrong hearing it go on for so long with no introduction or opening credits.

      At time of writing, there are actualy three podcasts (episodes 12, 33 and 28 iirc?) that were never uploaded\never edited because they were so bad, they were deemed unsalvegable in editing. But we have an expectation to produce at least some podcasts, especially when GYPodcast is out of commission. In addition to changing the format, we’re looking into creating smaller (~1 hour) podcasts more often.

      tl;dr, we are listening and email me at come@mebro.co.uk if you’d like to talk more. I came to GYP because I wanted to produce GOOD podcast content (even if it is light entertainment and not news) and if I’m not doing that then I suck.

      EDIT: one more thing. I think that Mix Master Mao and Jambalaya Bob are both really funny. But having them both at once is perhaps asking for trouble.

    • Seanie on said:

      No fun allowed

      • Don’t put words in my mouth. I laughed hard when Happyman snapped over dogecomments, I cried at the list of Black Friday casualties, and I fondly reminisced about my second apartment when Catsman described the cave. But those events were part of a semi-organized segments revolving around vidya news and discussion, mostly edited to include just the good bits and with people mostly letting each other speak clearly and concentrating on the PODCAST, NOT on how much fun they’re having making it.

        Apart from one or two individuals, most participants are either too inexperienced or too young to realize that those few GYP users who listen to the podcast – who don’t, coincidentally, also take part of it – don’t understand or even care for the obscure inner jokes, overlapping excited shouting and unfinished sentences, or overly-extended segments about your personal lives. If what any of the participants cares about when recording is joking around endlessly making fun of his friends and telling about his personal life, then the final product will inevitably be no different than listening to a highschool cafeteria group chat. Not my idea of a good pass time.
        And if the host or organizer of the podcast wants it to be a good (or, less importantly, a successful) one, then he should give them predetermined guidelines, segment and edit the episode to have structure and cohesion, tell the host to keep things relatively in check, and smack people over the head if they’re unfunny, shoot from the hip or derail the conversation needlessly. And making it less crowded and raising the standard of expression won’t do any harm either.

        My two cents, take it or leave it. I would personally love listening to more, but if it’s going even further off the track I have other (even vidya-related) podcasts to fill my train ride in the mornings.

        • Happyman on said:

          i’ve been saying for so goddamned long that we shouldnt be having so much podcast time about our lives and GLA insider stuff and what we’re streaming because the listeners (who are mainly from GYP) don’t give a fuck about that but everyone was always like nooo we need to promote the stream and ourselves

    • Mix_Master_Mao on said:

      I’m sorry about talking about my school, I know we were recording but I didn’t think that Cats or whoever was editing the podcast was going to leave it in along with the stuff like the controller. Again I’m very sorry, I too think we talk about not video games too much, I’m pretty sure none of the usual listeners want to hear me talk about my school. If any listeners do have a problem with me, please say. I don’t want to be an annoying part of the podcast.

    • Dorothy Langcaster on said:

      Ignore this loser. GDV is like a bunch of chums hanging out in a college dorm room, GYP is like a posse of pensioners at bingo night

  8. On topic of supposed “Podcast Quality”, what I like about GDV is the inevitable slide from videogame discussion towards off topic comments, broadcaster’s antics, and the general laughter that it ensues. That is what makes this podcast so entertaining and unique.

    As for GYP, its format ( 1 hour, 4 people ) is more adequate for, if not serious, focused discussion about videogames. The more structured approach of GYP is what makes it an excellent podcast too ( the “What is a game” special is also a good example )

    They both balance themselves out in the most perfect way. I say continue the way you were doing things GLA.

    You don’t really need structure as much as you need a figure to keep everyone in check and prevent the podcast falling into chaos. Which doesn’t really happen and is, for me, entertaining in its own way.
    You have Happyman, and I noted Mao’s attempts. Or why not someone else.

    I’ll try to provide you with new segment ideas if I come up with some.
    Keep it up, you guys are great.

  9. catsman will be my wife on said:

    Get off /g/ catsman, unless you post in a “shaved legs are technology” thread.

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